gabriel giffords. there she is how are we as americans if she wants stricter gun laws. shouldn't we rally to her cause? >> genuine reforms gradually cut down on gun violence. >> bill: you would say you want the same thick that she wants but you would debate her on how to get there, correct? >> of course we all want less gun violence. we just want reasonable reforms. and enforce what we already have on the books. >> bill: powers, would you just like to tell me one more time how the "new york times" hard news pages differ from their editorial? >> yeah. there is editorial page and they work in a separate area. >> bill: separate? >> they write their editorials. there are reporters and they do not collude with each other. >> bill: don't collude. >> you can prove that they collude? >> bill: you are absolutely right. >> can i say one thing? i completely agree with you on federalizing. i'm about to actually faint actually because i completely agree that's what you should do. >> bill: my solution works. we appreciate it cammeron and rosen have a bunch of stuff. my interview with